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I am working on an article

Postby dr.havoc » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:06 pm

Hello everyone, its been a while since I have used these forums but I am back as I be in sheffield, Manchester and other areas and i hope to see you around :). I have been working on an article which i think needs to be addressed or to be heard but i wanna know your views. I haven't made a huge start but the title is called "actions speak louder than words" there is a meaning behind the title which looks pretty obvious when you read it but after traveling around the uk, i have noticed there are alot of scenes that can be quite competitive and because they have a good jump or just very good physically at moving, i think the spirit or philsophy isn't really there because they are either motivated by showing off, making money, internet fame for a few words of praise on youtube.

I have spoke to alot of these practitioners and as one of them said the spirit is "bollocks"if you wanna get better jumping walls then just go out jumping walls, you wanna run faster then simply go out and get better requires no philsophy". I personally find this the wrong attitude all together as it doesn't show the desire of progression to become a better person mentally, physically and spiritually for the goals that we wanna achieve. They just say that parkour is nothing more than moving efficently i mean yes we do practise so we can be more efficent but we have to practise an array of movements, adapt to our enviroment and to challenge ourselves within it. I mean for parkour we are practising for life we can take many of its lessons away from it, not to be just strong in training but also in life whatever the obstacle. I mean there is alot of places that talk about parkour, talk about the philsophy and the spirit of parkour and i believe that it isn't gone but it is certainly diluted and because of other websites and other people they never touch on this so they don't understand this issue. It is like if a site such as urban freeflow calls itself the offical website for parkour and free running, beginners will go on these websites believe every single word 100% of the time and take away alot of rubbish which goes against the philsophy of parkour.

I just want to know your views on this because lately it seems that people who are more physically capable, i am referring to the ones who don't give 2 craps about the spirit or the philsophy of parkour who are motivated by nothing else then some of there selfish motivates like making money and people keep believing them.

I think my questions are will parkour communities around the globe will one day see past this ? i mean as long as people keep doing what they are doing today then this could keep going due to this. How do you think it effects the parkour community ? I mean we are trying to show society and explain what parkour is but if someone with wrong motivates such as promoting competition then it confuses society because when i first started i found it hard to understand. I mean there are no easy answers in life and the information will not always be there so you have to go out and do the research but the chances in the british public doing this seems quite low because it has been many years and i go out people say "look at those base jumpers" or come up to me and say "so you going into the freerun world championships" which i think this is a total wrong idea of what parkour is about. How do we improve this problem so others can understand parkour ?.

I know this was a long read compare to my other posts and i have had quite abit of time to think about this but i would love to hear your views on this.

Peace

Train soon with you guys and girls :) <3
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Re: I am working on an article

Postby Nicolas » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:05 pm

Personally, i think the idea behind the philosophy of parkour is great, but i do not follow it myself. I do parkour for the socialising with new people, having fun and getting off my arse watching tv all day ;) I definately do not do it as some way of showing off or getting youtube hits (mainly because im not good enough to show off, but the point still stands). Progressing is of course the essential part of parkour, and if people choose to ignore the philosophy side of things in order to progress, then that is their choice.
If they choose to show off, they are not practicing parkour, they are freerunning ;) (personal opinion :D )
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Re: I am working on an article

Postby Robin_a » Sat Jun 11, 2011 12:28 am

is making money selfish?
parkour philosophy is an extension of Taoism? discuss.
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Re: I am working on an article

Postby someone » Fri Sep 23, 2011 7:46 pm

Perhaps we need to come up with new terms to distinguish exactly what different people mean when they say parkour, just to reduce the confusion for newcomers. Many people seem to have their own personal definitions of what the word parkour means and this is a problem that, in my opinion, will only go away if either the whole community agrees on a concrete definition or we create new terms with clear definitions (arguably easier since it doesn't require much agreement).

Language is guided by how the majority of people define a word. For example, if 90% of people say that 90kg is a measurement of weight then that's the correct usage, even though in physics 90kg is a measurement of mass. Basically what I'm trying to say is, we shouldn't be too worried about what the word parkour is being used for, only that what we call 'real parkour' effectively communicates what we mean to other people.

That being said, when I talk about parkour I say it includes the mental aspects as well. It does concern me that there is so much confusion as to what it actually is. In answer to your main question, I don't think people will see past this unless the major groups form a consensus and make themselves very clear, or as I mentioned earlier, we invent new terms for the purpose of clarification.
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Re: I am working on an article

Postby Dave » Fri Sep 23, 2011 10:12 pm

Language relies on common understanding, so the word 'Parkour' changes in every conversation. It means only what the people having the conversation think it means. This doesn't however affect the discipline of Parkour, because the discipline exists separately from the word. However much anyone wants to argue about common usage, that won't change what the discipline of Parkour actually is.

Parkour is a training discipline, where we practice moving past obstacles in order to get better at getting past all the obstacles we face in life.

That is what Parkour is. If people want to use the word 'parkour' in all kinds of inaccurate ways that's up to them. Calling a fish an apple doesn't mean that it is an apple. What matters is reality not the language we use to describe it.
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Re: I am working on an article

Postby Will » Sat Sep 24, 2011 3:49 am

Parkour is a sport where you practice overcoming physical obstacles for whatever fucking reason you can come with in your stupid little head.
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Re: I am working on an article

Postby Dave » Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:05 am

That's more or less the same thing. :)
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Re: I am working on an article

Postby gaz » Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:16 pm

practice properly, with a good attitude and those around you may be influenced, if we're lucy. Write something on a website and people will talk shit. These arguments have been going on for a very long time and despite the fact there are many bad influences, I continue to meet up with people from around the world who are filled with the parkour spirit. Do what you will and don't care if/expect others to listen to you.
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